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		<title>By: Dobroslaw205</title>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 05:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whitney, Yes, regions are becoming more diverse, but hip  neighbourhoods are becoming less diverse.  Less diverse, like the examples I gave of North Beach, in San Francisco, and Georgetown in Seattle. Yes, cities offer tremendous benefits, opportunities for personal growth and contributions to society. I simply confirmed the experiences of others as being what I personally know accurately describes reality......Again, I am  not saying that you are lying with statistics, that is, unfortunately,  the name of the book. I dislike ad hominum comments in general, and have never characterized your statements as senseless, or said anything negative about your professionalism. In fact, I found elements of your posts about which I could make  positive comments. From my perspective, I am too relaxed to be emotionally super-charged about this. I don&#039;t think you look bad to anyone, so don&#039;t worry about it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whitney, Yes, regions are becoming more diverse, but hip  neighbourhoods are becoming less diverse.  Less diverse, like the examples I gave of North Beach, in San Francisco, and Georgetown in Seattle. Yes, cities offer tremendous benefits, opportunities for personal growth and contributions to society. I simply confirmed the experiences of others as being what I personally know accurately describes reality&#8230;&#8230;Again, I am  not saying that you are lying with statistics, that is, unfortunately,  the name of the book. I dislike ad hominum comments in general, and have never characterized your statements as senseless, or said anything negative about your professionalism. In fact, I found elements of your posts about which I could make  positive comments. From my perspective, I am too relaxed to be emotionally super-charged about this. I don&#8217;t think you look bad to anyone, so don&#8217;t worry about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Whitney Gunderson</title>
		<link>http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/05/29/cities-and-ambition/comment-page-2/#comment-4407</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitney Gunderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert.  Have you ever thought about why the U.S. was predominately settled from east to west?  And why the European Christopher Columbus gets credit for &quot;discovering America?&quot;  The &quot;west,&quot; or undiscovered America, existed between two large civilizations, in Europe and China, before America was colonized in the 16th century.  China is not credited with discovering America because, before the 16th century, there were two factions in China.  One group wanted to build ships and sail the oceans and the other group thought building ships and sailing the oceans was foolish.  The group that didn&#039;t want to build ships and sail the oceans won out, and China was destined to remain a large, isolated, eastern country.... one that was not able to settle the new found American lands from west to east.  My point is that China and the United States are two very different countries, and it’s hard to compare the ingenuity of Europe and America to the isolation and mindset of China.  To say one is better than the other is nonsense.  You have stated that you might move to China, but now you threatened to move to Beverly Hills or whatever.  It makes me curious.  You have stated that you think the United States is not a tolerant country, and have presented a challenge to give examples of tolerance in America, but have not stated what community you currently live in, and have not discussed what makes you live there or what makes it good or bad.  Even if you don&#039;t respond, your comments have proven fanatical, and certainly don&#039;t factor into the optimistic thinking that served to settle America and to make it the success story that it is.

Wil.  You have implied that I am lying with statistics (well, maybe, you should read &quot;How to Lie With Statistics).  You have also implied that I have somehow offended you (well, maybe, you should consider me the expert in this area because I consider other people to be the expert in the business that I am in).  You have also implied that you are not tolerant (West Virginia sounds like a terrible place).  You have also said, before I called you on it, that first, Seattle is becoming less diverse, but then after I called you on it, that second, Seattle areas like Renton are becoming more diverse.  Then to prove your point, which you discounted yourself, you posted links to articles that imply cities like San Francisco and Seattle are becoming profanely gentrified, even though articles posted on this blog, such as &quot;Cities and Growth:  In Situ Versus Migratory Human Capital Growth,&quot; declare the benefits that cities offer for people to grow and contribute to society.  I reasoned that perhaps neighborhoods in cities are becoming more homogenous, while at the same time, the regions that the cities and neighborhoods occupy are becoming more tolerant and diverse.  Conveniently, you haven&#039;t really acknowledged that this could be a possibility, so I would like to pose this question to you.  Have you ever thought about how non-smoking policies are making cities less tolerant and diverse?  I mean come on, right, having a non-smoking policy in one place or the other reduces tolerance (non-smokers don&#039;t tolerant smokers) and diversity (smokers might not go to places where they can&#039;t smoke).  While this may be partly true, the overall argument is ludicrous.  Non-smoking policies don&#039;t reduce diversity and tolerance in a palatable way, and actually, can serve to improve public health.  You are using the smoking policy argument when you post links to articles that say neighborhoods are changing, becoming more expensive and less accessible, when the real story should be that overall regions are becoming more tolerant, diverse and educated.  You are saying that since one place in one city is gentrified, the entire region is following suit.  That&#039;s like saying that since people can&#039;t smoke anywhere they want to, tolerance and diversity are threatened.  That&#039;s a laugh.

For me, bells always go off when I read a post that vents about unfairness, or another one of society&#039;s slights at justice, that&#039;s written by someone who doesn&#039;t use their real name or just uses their first name.  If the person really thought what they were writing, why don&#039;t they back-up their remarks with their name?  After some of the comments I have read in this blog post, I can see why both Robert and Wil want to disassociate themselves from their comments.  If I lived in the same community, or had a professional relationship with them, the comments from both of these people would make me think twice before continuing the relationship.  And somehow, in today&#039;s emotionally super-charged culture, I am the one who looks bad for calling people like Robert and Wil on senseless statements.  But, I&#039;m OK with that.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert.  Have you ever thought about why the U.S. was predominately settled from east to west?  And why the European Christopher Columbus gets credit for &#8220;discovering America?&#8221;  The &#8220;west,&#8221; or undiscovered America, existed between two large civilizations, in Europe and China, before America was colonized in the 16th century.  China is not credited with discovering America because, before the 16th century, there were two factions in China.  One group wanted to build ships and sail the oceans and the other group thought building ships and sailing the oceans was foolish.  The group that didn&#8217;t want to build ships and sail the oceans won out, and China was destined to remain a large, isolated, eastern country&#8230;. one that was not able to settle the new found American lands from west to east.  My point is that China and the United States are two very different countries, and it’s hard to compare the ingenuity of Europe and America to the isolation and mindset of China.  To say one is better than the other is nonsense.  You have stated that you might move to China, but now you threatened to move to Beverly Hills or whatever.  It makes me curious.  You have stated that you think the United States is not a tolerant country, and have presented a challenge to give examples of tolerance in America, but have not stated what community you currently live in, and have not discussed what makes you live there or what makes it good or bad.  Even if you don&#8217;t respond, your comments have proven fanatical, and certainly don&#8217;t factor into the optimistic thinking that served to settle America and to make it the success story that it is.</p>
<p>Wil.  You have implied that I am lying with statistics (well, maybe, you should read &#8220;How to Lie With Statistics).  You have also implied that I have somehow offended you (well, maybe, you should consider me the expert in this area because I consider other people to be the expert in the business that I am in).  You have also implied that you are not tolerant (West Virginia sounds like a terrible place).  You have also said, before I called you on it, that first, Seattle is becoming less diverse, but then after I called you on it, that second, Seattle areas like Renton are becoming more diverse.  Then to prove your point, which you discounted yourself, you posted links to articles that imply cities like San Francisco and Seattle are becoming profanely gentrified, even though articles posted on this blog, such as &#8220;Cities and Growth:  In Situ Versus Migratory Human Capital Growth,&#8221; declare the benefits that cities offer for people to grow and contribute to society.  I reasoned that perhaps neighborhoods in cities are becoming more homogenous, while at the same time, the regions that the cities and neighborhoods occupy are becoming more tolerant and diverse.  Conveniently, you haven&#8217;t really acknowledged that this could be a possibility, so I would like to pose this question to you.  Have you ever thought about how non-smoking policies are making cities less tolerant and diverse?  I mean come on, right, having a non-smoking policy in one place or the other reduces tolerance (non-smokers don&#8217;t tolerant smokers) and diversity (smokers might not go to places where they can&#8217;t smoke).  While this may be partly true, the overall argument is ludicrous.  Non-smoking policies don&#8217;t reduce diversity and tolerance in a palatable way, and actually, can serve to improve public health.  You are using the smoking policy argument when you post links to articles that say neighborhoods are changing, becoming more expensive and less accessible, when the real story should be that overall regions are becoming more tolerant, diverse and educated.  You are saying that since one place in one city is gentrified, the entire region is following suit.  That&#8217;s like saying that since people can&#8217;t smoke anywhere they want to, tolerance and diversity are threatened.  That&#8217;s a laugh.</p>
<p>For me, bells always go off when I read a post that vents about unfairness, or another one of society&#8217;s slights at justice, that&#8217;s written by someone who doesn&#8217;t use their real name or just uses their first name.  If the person really thought what they were writing, why don&#8217;t they back-up their remarks with their name?  After some of the comments I have read in this blog post, I can see why both Robert and Wil want to disassociate themselves from their comments.  If I lived in the same community, or had a professional relationship with them, the comments from both of these people would make me think twice before continuing the relationship.  And somehow, in today&#8217;s emotionally super-charged culture, I am the one who looks bad for calling people like Robert and Wil on senseless statements.  But, I&#8217;m OK with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whitney, Watch and see what happens to Georgetown in ten years time, it is a perfect test case for your ideas. See today&#039;s NYT  for a writeup on this neighbourhood;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/travel/01Surfacing.html?8dpc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/travel/01Surfacing.html?8dpc&lt;/a&gt;

I think that you will see it become much less diverse.

Congratulations to Obama for finally becoming the nominee!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whitney, Watch and see what happens to Georgetown in ten years time, it is a perfect test case for your ideas. See today&#8217;s NYT  for a writeup on this neighbourhood;</p>
<p><a href="http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/travel/01Surfacing.html?8dpc" rel="nofollow">http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/travel/01Surfacing.html?8dpc</a></p>
<p>I think that you will see it become much less diverse.</p>
<p>Congratulations to Obama for finally becoming the nominee!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I guess I&#039;ll move to Beverly Hills so I can be closer to the greater diversity in South Central Los Angeles where all those riots happened after the Rodney King beating.  I am just sure most of the people living in Beverly Hills want to interact with people from South Central Los Angeles. Yep I am 100% sure of this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I guess I&#8217;ll move to Beverly Hills so I can be closer to the greater diversity in South Central Los Angeles where all those riots happened after the Rodney King beating.  I am just sure most of the people living in Beverly Hills want to interact with people from South Central Los Angeles. Yep I am 100% sure of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Whitney Gunderson</title>
		<link>http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/05/29/cities-and-ambition/comment-page-1/#comment-4404</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitney Gunderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The survey is your project Robert.  You don&#039;t need to prove a connection that people interact in cities with people that are different from them because diversity, tolerance and the creative result are the main cannons for a city&#039;s existance.  Now, take a breath and relax.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The survey is your project Robert.  You don&#8217;t need to prove a connection that people interact in cities with people that are different from them because diversity, tolerance and the creative result are the main cannons for a city&#8217;s existance.  Now, take a breath and relax.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well of course people don&#039;t spend all their time in their houses day and night but in order to prove this idea that people living in the gentrified areas actually are living their for the diversity in other cities surrounding them then you need to prove some kind of connection.  This new theory is unproven whereas the concept of &quot;white flight&quot; where people move away from core cities to the outer suburbs because they don&#039;t want to deal with people from the core cities has been proven time and again.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well of course people don&#8217;t spend all their time in their houses day and night but in order to prove this idea that people living in the gentrified areas actually are living their for the diversity in other cities surrounding them then you need to prove some kind of connection.  This new theory is unproven whereas the concept of &#8220;white flight&#8221; where people move away from core cities to the outer suburbs because they don&#8217;t want to deal with people from the core cities has been proven time and again.</p>
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		<title>By: Whitney Gunderson</title>
		<link>http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/05/29/cities-and-ambition/comment-page-1/#comment-4402</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitney Gunderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy to bash places like San Francisco and West Virginia, but I like hearing what people think of them.  If people not familiar with San Francisco and West Virginia visit them, their perceptions could change.  People in San Francisco are not as entitled as the article Wil sent me purports them to be, and people in West Virginia aren&#039;t stupid or bad.

As for Robert&#039;s idea that a survey should be conducted in the Seattle area to test my hypothesis that people don&#039;t stay in their houses day and night.... that sounds like a good project for Robert.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy to bash places like San Francisco and West Virginia, but I like hearing what people think of them.  If people not familiar with San Francisco and West Virginia visit them, their perceptions could change.  People in San Francisco are not as entitled as the article Wil sent me purports them to be, and people in West Virginia aren&#8217;t stupid or bad.</p>
<p>As for Robert&#8217;s idea that a survey should be conducted in the Seattle area to test my hypothesis that people don&#8217;t stay in their houses day and night&#8230;. that sounds like a good project for Robert.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>West Virginia is not for people who want to live in Austin.  But it deserves respect.   In Cincinnati when I grew up there the Appalachians were a large minority.  Many would work in the factories during the week, then drive up to 12 hours each way every weekend in order to go home.   Many of them were highly intelligent, though poorly educated.   Their traditional music is an essential source of the Austin music scene so valued by people who have had a lot of choices in life. Their beautiful hills now are being strip-mined to flat plains of rubble by coal companies who have found it cheaper than paying men to go underground.  My point regarding West Virginia was that one should not just label the place as intolerant or racist.  Its people have distrusted outsiders, regardless of race.  With good reason.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>West Virginia is not for people who want to live in Austin.  But it deserves respect.   In Cincinnati when I grew up there the Appalachians were a large minority.  Many would work in the factories during the week, then drive up to 12 hours each way every weekend in order to go home.   Many of them were highly intelligent, though poorly educated.   Their traditional music is an essential source of the Austin music scene so valued by people who have had a lot of choices in life. Their beautiful hills now are being strip-mined to flat plains of rubble by coal companies who have found it cheaper than paying men to go underground.  My point regarding West Virginia was that one should not just label the place as intolerant or racist.  Its people have distrusted outsiders, regardless of race.  With good reason.</p>
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