Comments on: Will the Internet Kill the Creative Class? http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/08/13/will-the-internet-kill-the-creative-class/ The source on how we live, work and play Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:10:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Michael R. Bernstein http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/08/13/will-the-internet-kill-the-creative-class/comment-page-1/#comment-5173 Michael R. Bernstein Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:00:10 +0000 http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/?p=2160#comment-5173 The creative class is largely unconscious, at least in the 'class consciousness' sense. Without having most of your oeuvre to hand (I just moved to Albuquerque, and much of my library is still boxed up), I am not sure whether you've previously identified economic issues that are most relevant to the CC, but I suspect that (for example) Creatives are more likely to be self-employed, and therefore obtaining adequate health insurance coverage is probably a bigger problem for them. There are other issues that resonate with the CC that pertain to equality of economic and creative opportunity, such as telecommunications policy (ie. Net Neutrality) and the various intellectual property regimes (retroactive copyright extensions, software patents, DRM, etc.), but many journalists still largely frame these as disputes between sets of corporations, especially Google (ie. Google vs. the book publishers, Google vs. the telecoms, etc.). There are organizations that tackle these issues and promote the positions that directly benefit the CC (such as the FSF, EFF, EPIC, Public Knowledge, Free Press, etc.), but NONE of them frame their arguments in terms of a class-struggle, or even class-consciousness (FSF comes closest, but the class they are concerned with is 'computer users'). The creative class is largely unconscious, at least in the ‘class consciousness’ sense.

Without having most of your oeuvre to hand (I just moved to Albuquerque, and much of my library is still boxed up), I am not sure whether you’ve previously identified economic issues that are most relevant to the CC, but I suspect that (for example) Creatives are more likely to be self-employed, and therefore obtaining adequate health insurance coverage is probably a bigger problem for them.

There are other issues that resonate with the CC that pertain to equality of economic and creative opportunity, such as telecommunications policy (ie. Net Neutrality) and the various intellectual property regimes (retroactive copyright extensions, software patents, DRM, etc.), but many journalists still largely frame these as disputes between sets of corporations, especially Google (ie. Google vs. the book publishers, Google vs. the telecoms, etc.).

There are organizations that tackle these issues and promote the positions that directly benefit the CC (such as the FSF, EFF, EPIC, Public Knowledge, Free Press, etc.), but NONE of them frame their arguments in terms of a class-struggle, or even class-consciousness (FSF comes closest, but the class they are concerned with is ‘computer users’).

]]> By: Blazze http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/08/13/will-the-internet-kill-the-creative-class/comment-page-1/#comment-5061 Blazze Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:48:29 +0000 http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/?p=2160#comment-5061 The internet is a result of creativity. Control is an illusion. Creative control is the responsiblity of said creative person. The internet is interactive, compared to previous where all was spoon fed through television and radio and newspapers. Good ideas are like gossip, copy and pasted, mass e-mailed, forumed, blogged and bulletin'd. Freedom to participate and create, and or sit and wait for things to get better will take you nowhere fast. Online lives, connect us all to a planet wide society, and has given me a source to practice creative writing, and to share knowledge in a general way that I have learned over many years. If I help just one or inspire another in anyway than I feel I have made an impact on making thier live just a little better. I work in the music biz you'de be amazed how hand shakes kind words and pats on the back make a persons day, and it takes what. a few seconds? We are all connected, we are all creative, we are all in control. or depending on your personal attitude you could put : We are NOT...etc. in front of the above 3 statments. Either be a part of the solution or part of the problem. Again that is the freedon of choice we have to make in order to live an effective life. Or you can sit and complain, which often you'll find: Misery loves company, (not mine for long LOL) & small minds run in small circles, or ... my preference: Great Minds Think Alike. Thought is energy. It is faster that the speed of light. So what type of energy you put into your thoughts will most likely be your end results. To copyright and control and own your intellectual property check out on line LOL the Library of Congress & Copyrights. I'm just sayin' LOL Blazze ...... The internet is a result of creativity. Control is an illusion. Creative control is the responsiblity of said creative person. The internet is interactive, compared to previous where all was spoon fed through television and radio and newspapers. Good ideas are like gossip, copy and pasted, mass e-mailed, forumed, blogged and bulletin’d. Freedom to participate and create, and or sit and wait for things to get better will take you nowhere fast.
Online lives, connect us all to a planet wide society, and has given me a source to practice creative writing, and to share knowledge in a general way that I have learned over many years. If I help just one or inspire another in anyway than I feel I have made an impact on making thier live just a little better. I work in the music biz you’de be amazed how hand shakes kind words and pats on the back make a persons day, and it takes what. a few seconds?

We are all connected, we are all creative, we are all in control. or depending on your personal attitude you could put : We are NOT…etc. in front of the above 3 statments.
Either be a part of the solution or part of the problem. Again that is the freedon of choice we have to make in order to live an effective life. Or you can sit and complain, which often you’ll find: Misery loves company, (not mine for long LOL) & small minds run in small circles, or …
my preference: Great Minds Think Alike. Thought is energy. It is faster that the speed of light. So what type of energy you put into your thoughts will most likely be your end results. To copyright and control and own your intellectual property check out on line LOL the Library of Congress & Copyrights.
I’m just sayin’ LOL
Blazze ……

]]> By: Phil http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/08/13/will-the-internet-kill-the-creative-class/comment-page-1/#comment-5020 Phil Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:21:43 +0000 http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/?p=2160#comment-5020 I am all for the internet. With the power of the internet I've learned the skills that have gotten me a full-time job, learned how to DJ, to produce music and so many other things. To answer the question Elizabeth M posed I have to say a resounding "yes". Internet creatives are a group all to themselves. Because we have access to creative happenings around the world it further fuels our creative pursuits. The internet gives us the confidence to try to push new ideas in our own communities. We can create an idea then see if anyone else is doing something similar around the world. Once you see that an idea you have can work it drives you to go ahead and try it yourself. I'm involved in a lot of worldwide underground music scenes. With the power of the Internet I've been able to connect with people around the world in the scenes. I even know several people that have been booked to play shows in Europe just because of the connections they've made online. To sum it up the Internet and people in it are an incredible source of inspiration that goes against the mainstream. So if people hold on to their archaic models they will simply be left behind. I am all for the internet. With the power of the internet I’ve learned the skills that have gotten me a full-time job, learned how to DJ, to produce music and so many other things.
To answer the question Elizabeth M posed I have to say a resounding “yes”. Internet creatives are a group all to themselves. Because we have access to creative happenings around the world it further fuels our creative pursuits. The internet gives us the confidence to try to push new ideas in our own communities. We can create an idea then see if anyone else is doing something similar around the world. Once you see that an idea you have can work it drives you to go ahead and try it yourself.
I’m involved in a lot of worldwide underground music scenes. With the power of the Internet I’ve been able to connect with people around the world in the scenes. I even know several people that have been booked to play shows in Europe just because of the connections they’ve made online.
To sum it up the Internet and people in it are an incredible source of inspiration that goes against the mainstream. So if people hold on to their archaic models they will simply be left behind.

]]> By: Elizabeth M http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/08/13/will-the-internet-kill-the-creative-class/comment-page-1/#comment-5016 Elizabeth M Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:58:48 +0000 http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/?p=2160#comment-5016 It's a double-edged sword. So many creatives get more exposure through the glory of the Internet. I can't imagine conducting my writing business without it. But I do also feel like I'm a slave to the Internet and my computer (a workaholic in denial, no doubt... totally self-inflicted). The Internet lets everyone own the world -- small pieces, big pieces. It also allows the world to see how creative people can be -- could the Internet folk be a class of creatives inside the creative class? It’s a double-edged sword. So many creatives get more exposure through the glory of the Internet. I can’t imagine conducting my writing business without it. But I do also feel like I’m a slave to the Internet and my computer (a workaholic in denial, no doubt… totally self-inflicted). The Internet lets everyone own the world — small pieces, big pieces. It also allows the world to see how creative people can be — could the Internet folk be a class of creatives inside the creative class?

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