Comments on: What is the Future of the City? http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/09/24/what-is-the-future-of-the-city/ The source on how we live, work and play Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:10:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: murderingmouth http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/09/24/what-is-the-future-of-the-city/comment-page-1/#comment-6022 murderingmouth Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:02:44 +0000 http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/?p=3603#comment-6022 I think you're mistaking the focus of my rant. I was trying to speak for those who do not have a choice - eg, the 'uncreative class' who live where they have to live rather than being fickle and transient in the mould of the wealthy urban class most modern urban writers focus almost exclusively on. I think you’re mistaking the focus of my rant. I was trying to speak for those who do not have a choice – eg, the ‘uncreative class’ who live where they have to live rather than being fickle and transient in the mould of the wealthy urban class most modern urban writers focus almost exclusively on.

]]> By: tpk-nyc http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/09/24/what-is-the-future-of-the-city/comment-page-1/#comment-5924 tpk-nyc Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:09:56 +0000 http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/?p=3603#comment-5924 Interesting points but overly nasty (i.e., "homos [in the suburbs have] far fewer cruisy parks and sex clubs") and over-simplified. The "Big City equals Sodom" argument is both a cliché and a myth. As the most cursory perusal of the Internet will confirm (see: Craigslist), big cities hardly have a monopoly on debauchery and other vices. The fundamental flaw in his argument is his attempt to divorce leisure from aesthetics. He writes, "People take extraordinary pains to find a city that ‘fits them’, and this is done not for industrious or philosophic, or even usually aesthetic, reasons, as much as it is simple considerations of desired leisure activity." This may be true for a philistine (I use this term to mean "a person who is disdainful of intellectual or artistic values"), but many people move to big cities precisely for philosophic and aesthetic reasons. For example, for many urban denizens, walkability is a "philosophic and aesthetic" value that also has a leisure component. How can it be quantified since does not fit into a narrow, Libertarian, cost/benefit analysis that only values convenience and affordability? Interesting points but overly nasty (i.e., “homos [in the suburbs have] far fewer cruisy parks and sex clubs”) and over-simplified. The “Big City equals Sodom” argument is both a cliché and a myth. As the most cursory perusal of the Internet will confirm (see: Craigslist), big cities hardly have a monopoly on debauchery and other vices.

The fundamental flaw in his argument is his attempt to divorce leisure from aesthetics. He writes, “People take extraordinary pains to find a city that ‘fits them’, and this is done not for industrious or philosophic, or even usually aesthetic, reasons, as much as it is simple considerations of desired leisure activity.”

This may be true for a philistine (I use this term to mean “a person who is disdainful of intellectual or artistic values”), but many people move to big cities precisely for philosophic and aesthetic reasons. For example, for many urban denizens, walkability is a “philosophic and aesthetic” value that also has a leisure component. How can it be quantified since does not fit into a narrow, Libertarian, cost/benefit analysis that only values convenience and affordability?

]]> By: Elizabeth M http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/09/24/what-is-the-future-of-the-city/comment-page-1/#comment-5912 Elizabeth M Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:16:14 +0000 http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/?p=3603#comment-5912 Cities will always be able to hold their own - their future is not bleak by any means. Cities will always be able to hold their own – their future is not bleak by any means.

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