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	<title>Comments on: Housing Market Carnage</title>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
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		<dc:creator>SB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is anyone surprised that in the US, where mortgage debt is tax deductible and poor lending practices become national policy that they experience a housing collapse? It will correct and life will go on. People have to live somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is anyone surprised that in the US, where mortgage debt is tax deductible and poor lending practices become national policy that they experience a housing collapse? It will correct and life will go on. People have to live somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Oklahoma Realtor</title>
		<link>http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2008/10/02/housing-market-carnage/comment-page-1/#comment-6142</link>
		<dc:creator>Oklahoma Realtor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The housing market carnage will be over sooner than later, I suspect. Things will correct, or over correct, and we will be right back where we started. Then the whole process can start over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The housing market carnage will be over sooner than later, I suspect. Things will correct, or over correct, and we will be right back where we started. Then the whole process can start over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This morning&#039;s Oregonian had an article about a new high-rise that was being built as condos switching to being apartments, the fourth such announcement lately. The market is following the customers, as usual.

A couple of months ago you (RF) were writing about the need for new housing models besides long-term ownership and lease/rental. I&#039;d guess that the current turmoil presents an opportunity for smart developers to explore ways to fill their buildings.

An example, we&#039;re going to New York for a long weekend in early November. The hotel we stayed in 3 years ago has tripled its rates. We found vacationrentalsbyowner.com, which has New York (and other) apartments for rent by the day or week. We were unsure about staying in someone&#039;s home, but it turns out that people buy condos in order to rent them. This is unusual and maybe driven by the NYC hotel market, but still a change in the models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning&#8217;s Oregonian had an article about a new high-rise that was being built as condos switching to being apartments, the fourth such announcement lately. The market is following the customers, as usual.</p>
<p>A couple of months ago you (RF) were writing about the need for new housing models besides long-term ownership and lease/rental. I&#8217;d guess that the current turmoil presents an opportunity for smart developers to explore ways to fill their buildings.</p>
<p>An example, we&#8217;re going to New York for a long weekend in early November. The hotel we stayed in 3 years ago has tripled its rates. We found vacationrentalsbyowner.com, which has New York (and other) apartments for rent by the day or week. We were unsure about staying in someone&#8217;s home, but it turns out that people buy condos in order to rent them. This is unusual and maybe driven by the NYC hotel market, but still a change in the models.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting chart. What the chart underscores is the wisdom of traditional mortgage approaches requiring a 25% downpayment. 

First, with the largest price declines concentrated in relatively few regions, bank risk would have been largely contained. At worst, a bank would lose 15 cents on the dollar for mortgages at the top of the cycle instead of 35 cents on a mortgages with zero downpayments.

Second, without the huge expansion of subprime credit, price increases in the regions with the largest drops would have been more modest, and the consequent drops less damaging.

It is indeed unfortunate that we had to re-learn this lesson in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting chart. What the chart underscores is the wisdom of traditional mortgage approaches requiring a 25% downpayment. </p>
<p>First, with the largest price declines concentrated in relatively few regions, bank risk would have been largely contained. At worst, a bank would lose 15 cents on the dollar for mortgages at the top of the cycle instead of 35 cents on a mortgages with zero downpayments.</p>
<p>Second, without the huge expansion of subprime credit, price increases in the regions with the largest drops would have been more modest, and the consequent drops less damaging.</p>
<p>It is indeed unfortunate that we had to re-learn this lesson in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish the Canadian media would stop reporting Schiller as an expert on the Canadian housing.  I read some of the actual Q&amp;A exchange and Schiller said he knew little about the Canadian market, but thought that the run-up in prices in Calgary and Vancouver could be bubble like. &quot;Could be&quot;   

To argue scientifically or intellectually that prices are unsustainable, you need to bring more to the table than simply the fact that houses are more expensive than they used to be. 

Looking at the short term future indicators for Toronto area job growth and economic growth (based in part on the challenges in both the manufacturing and finance sectors) I see Toronto as more of a buyers&#039; market than Calgary or Vancouver over the next 2 years+.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish the Canadian media would stop reporting Schiller as an expert on the Canadian housing.  I read some of the actual Q&amp;A exchange and Schiller said he knew little about the Canadian market, but thought that the run-up in prices in Calgary and Vancouver could be bubble like. &#8220;Could be&#8221;   </p>
<p>To argue scientifically or intellectually that prices are unsustainable, you need to bring more to the table than simply the fact that houses are more expensive than they used to be. </p>
<p>Looking at the short term future indicators for Toronto area job growth and economic growth (based in part on the challenges in both the manufacturing and finance sectors) I see Toronto as more of a buyers&#8217; market than Calgary or Vancouver over the next 2 years+.</p>
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