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	<title>Comments on: N-Gen Music: Mash-up Mania</title>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the documentary Good Copy Bad Copy, on copyright, sampling, and creativity at http://www.goodcopybadcopy.net/ 

Girltalk is featured in the film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the documentary Good Copy Bad Copy, on copyright, sampling, and creativity at <a href="http://www.goodcopybadcopy.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.goodcopybadcopy.net/</a> </p>
<p>Girltalk is featured in the film.</p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mashups are the next logical development after the sampling that is common in hip-hop. It is fascinating to see how music continues to evolve beyond instruments.....An historical point: Eric Clapton&#039;s early style was directly copied (sometimes even note for note)from BB King, only much slower, which is why he was sometimes called &quot;slow hands&quot;.  Another historical point is that the god of all guitarists, and inventor of hard rock was Jimi Hendrix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mashups are the next logical development after the sampling that is common in hip-hop. It is fascinating to see how music continues to evolve beyond instruments&#8230;..An historical point: Eric Clapton&#8217;s early style was directly copied (sometimes even note for note)from BB King, only much slower, which is why he was sometimes called &#8220;slow hands&#8221;.  Another historical point is that the god of all guitarists, and inventor of hard rock was Jimi Hendrix.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Breuer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Breuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Craig,

Those sound like awesome parties. I haven&#039;t partied like that since before kids. My question is does his creativity get people on the floor or is it his talent? If he has the ability to choose music the people want to hear, isn&#039;t that talent? In my mind, that still leaves us with the question of creative. 

Hayden, who from previous generations (in terms of creativity) would you compare Girl Talk to? I use Clapton, Jay-Z, BB King because they are the best. If, as Alex writes, Girl Talk is a &quot;metaphor for  generation&quot;, shouldn&#039;t we want to compare against the best from other generations? If I am to be a metaphor for my generation, would my generation prefer I be compared against Clapton or Gary Numan or Lipps, Inc? Perhaps there is a better middle ground?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Craig,</p>
<p>Those sound like awesome parties. I haven&#8217;t partied like that since before kids. My question is does his creativity get people on the floor or is it his talent? If he has the ability to choose music the people want to hear, isn&#8217;t that talent? In my mind, that still leaves us with the question of creative. </p>
<p>Hayden, who from previous generations (in terms of creativity) would you compare Girl Talk to? I use Clapton, Jay-Z, BB King because they are the best. If, as Alex writes, Girl Talk is a &#8220;metaphor for  generation&#8221;, shouldn&#8217;t we want to compare against the best from other generations? If I am to be a metaphor for my generation, would my generation prefer I be compared against Clapton or Gary Numan or Lipps, Inc? Perhaps there is a better middle ground?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Girl Talk can be considered both Creative and Talented.  We need to look at this from the perspective of a DJ.  The number one goal of a DJ is to get a dance floor moving.  Indeed, dance floors attention spans are far shorter than they used to be, so all Girl Talk is doing is tapping into that piece of factual evidence to do his job better.  Have any of you been to a Girl Talk party?  The floor is packed and people crawl onto stage with him for what has become one of the most renowned dance parties of the past decade!!!  And Girl Talk has been around for almost 5 years now, so I don&#039;t see this as anything new.

Also, to comment on his strategy of releasing his album for free or a &#039;pay what you wish&#039; policy, that&#039;s nothing new!  Look at Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, Jamaroquai, Murs and 9th Wonder, Atmosphere, The Charlatans, and the list goes on and on...This is the new trend of the future of music industry politics.  If your music is going to be downloaded for free anyways, why not embrace change instead of avoiding it, and ask people to pay what they want? Truth be told, bands and artists KNOW that they&#039;re #1 means of income isn&#039;t coming from record sales anymore, that&#039;s why the touring industry has increased 10 fold with bands often touring 3 times for one album!  

On the other hand, licensing of music is also a very large means for artists to generate income in the music industry, so i do understand that there are copyright infringement complications.  However, if you ask me, Girl Talk is helping to promote older music to a younger audience, which in return, can only help those older artists by reviving what may have been a lost identity or song.  I know when i heard his use of Roy Orbison&#039;s &#039;You Got It&#039;, I went and bought the song off of iTunes because it is a GREAT song!  None of that money goes to Girl Talk.  It goes to Mr. Orbison&#039;s copyright holders.  

So in hindsight, it is a double edged sword.  But if you ask me, trying to stop change is going to bury you 6 feet under with the rest of the fundamentalists out there.  Wy do you think the Big 5 Record companies charted record losses and job cuts over the past year?

The times, they are a changin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Girl Talk can be considered both Creative and Talented.  We need to look at this from the perspective of a DJ.  The number one goal of a DJ is to get a dance floor moving.  Indeed, dance floors attention spans are far shorter than they used to be, so all Girl Talk is doing is tapping into that piece of factual evidence to do his job better.  Have any of you been to a Girl Talk party?  The floor is packed and people crawl onto stage with him for what has become one of the most renowned dance parties of the past decade!!!  And Girl Talk has been around for almost 5 years now, so I don&#8217;t see this as anything new.</p>
<p>Also, to comment on his strategy of releasing his album for free or a &#8216;pay what you wish&#8217; policy, that&#8217;s nothing new!  Look at Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, Jamaroquai, Murs and 9th Wonder, Atmosphere, The Charlatans, and the list goes on and on&#8230;This is the new trend of the future of music industry politics.  If your music is going to be downloaded for free anyways, why not embrace change instead of avoiding it, and ask people to pay what they want? Truth be told, bands and artists KNOW that they&#8217;re #1 means of income isn&#8217;t coming from record sales anymore, that&#8217;s why the touring industry has increased 10 fold with bands often touring 3 times for one album!  </p>
<p>On the other hand, licensing of music is also a very large means for artists to generate income in the music industry, so i do understand that there are copyright infringement complications.  However, if you ask me, Girl Talk is helping to promote older music to a younger audience, which in return, can only help those older artists by reviving what may have been a lost identity or song.  I know when i heard his use of Roy Orbison&#8217;s &#8216;You Got It&#8217;, I went and bought the song off of iTunes because it is a GREAT song!  None of that money goes to Girl Talk.  It goes to Mr. Orbison&#8217;s copyright holders.  </p>
<p>So in hindsight, it is a double edged sword.  But if you ask me, trying to stop change is going to bury you 6 feet under with the rest of the fundamentalists out there.  Wy do you think the Big 5 Record companies charted record losses and job cuts over the past year?</p>
<p>The times, they are a changin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: hayden fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>hayden fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Eric Clapton is a legend and one of the best ever to play the guitar.  If that&#039;s the standard, the answer to the creativity question is probably no.  But that&#039;s like comparing ever entrepreneur and computer designer to someone like Steve Jobs; or every artist from the Renaissance period to the most noteworthy.  But good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Eric Clapton is a legend and one of the best ever to play the guitar.  If that&#8217;s the standard, the answer to the creativity question is probably no.  But that&#8217;s like comparing ever entrepreneur and computer designer to someone like Steve Jobs; or every artist from the Renaissance period to the most noteworthy.  But good point.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Breuer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Breuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hayden, 

Actually, while I was writing that last night, I was listening to Girl Talk. One of the first Mashups I heard was a mashup of Genesis&#039; Mama with Queen&#039;s We Will Rock You. Some mashups are good, some aren&#039;t. It&#039;s all personal taste.

I do believe Girl Talk to be talented. But that&#039;s not the question. Is he creative? Has he created something or just reworked something? Would you put Girl Talk on the same creative level as Eric Clapton? While those sound bites may be his notes, I don&#039;t see him &quot;creating&quot; anything. 

Does what he did have value though? Yes, if people pay for it (monetarily or with other consideration).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hayden, </p>
<p>Actually, while I was writing that last night, I was listening to Girl Talk. One of the first Mashups I heard was a mashup of Genesis&#8217; Mama with Queen&#8217;s We Will Rock You. Some mashups are good, some aren&#8217;t. It&#8217;s all personal taste.</p>
<p>I do believe Girl Talk to be talented. But that&#8217;s not the question. Is he creative? Has he created something or just reworked something? Would you put Girl Talk on the same creative level as Eric Clapton? While those sound bites may be his notes, I don&#8217;t see him &#8220;creating&#8221; anything. </p>
<p>Does what he did have value though? Yes, if people pay for it (monetarily or with other consideration).</p>
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		<title>By: hayden fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>hayden fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, thanks for your comment and post.  As I indicated, I&#039;ve been a huge fan of the mash-up scene for several years now and it&#039;s great to see someone else taking notice of this new art form.  And I do think it&#039;s generational and more the product of the under-30 set even though I&#039;m a 36 year old gen Xer; albeit a never-been-married no-kids one.  

Tom, there are very talented traditional musicians in the new generation but also digitally empowered artists who create truly new music using old music.  Again, think of the old music as instruments being put together to create new music.  Some mash-up mixers create crap; but some of them also create incredibly artistic music.  Don&#039;t knock it until you&#039;ve heard it, Girl Talk is only one of the new mash-up artists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, thanks for your comment and post.  As I indicated, I&#8217;ve been a huge fan of the mash-up scene for several years now and it&#8217;s great to see someone else taking notice of this new art form.  And I do think it&#8217;s generational and more the product of the under-30 set even though I&#8217;m a 36 year old gen Xer; albeit a never-been-married no-kids one.  </p>
<p>Tom, there are very talented traditional musicians in the new generation but also digitally empowered artists who create truly new music using old music.  Again, think of the old music as instruments being put together to create new music.  Some mash-up mixers create crap; but some of them also create incredibly artistic music.  Don&#8217;t knock it until you&#8217;ve heard it, Girl Talk is only one of the new mash-up artists.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Breuer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Breuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alex, 

While I believe that Girl Talk is very talented, I am not sure about creative. If I take a bunch of magazine pictures and make a collage, am I creative? Perhaps, it depends on the context. In this case, I don&#039;t see this as being a sign of true creativity. He made a collage based on the work of some of the top people in the field. 

As for a generational metaphor, I am not so sure about that. I don&#039;t see Girl Talk furthering &quot;knowledge&quot; or music. If this is a metaphor for our generation, I am worried. Does that mean we have no creators or original thoughts? I doubt that. In every generation you have your creators (BB King, Jay-Z) and your sharers and those who build on knowledge (Toyota learning from GM, Facebook learning from ICQ). Where my Grandmother shared recipes and reworked them for her, Girl Talk reworks music. The people haven&#039;t changed, their desires haven&#039;t changed, technology (and therefore ability) has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex, </p>
<p>While I believe that Girl Talk is very talented, I am not sure about creative. If I take a bunch of magazine pictures and make a collage, am I creative? Perhaps, it depends on the context. In this case, I don&#8217;t see this as being a sign of true creativity. He made a collage based on the work of some of the top people in the field. </p>
<p>As for a generational metaphor, I am not so sure about that. I don&#8217;t see Girl Talk furthering &#8220;knowledge&#8221; or music. If this is a metaphor for our generation, I am worried. Does that mean we have no creators or original thoughts? I doubt that. In every generation you have your creators (BB King, Jay-Z) and your sharers and those who build on knowledge (Toyota learning from GM, Facebook learning from ICQ). Where my Grandmother shared recipes and reworked them for her, Girl Talk reworks music. The people haven&#8217;t changed, their desires haven&#8217;t changed, technology (and therefore ability) has.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Tapscott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Tapscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to the two of you for your comments.  

Hayden, your last remark that the music industry has mishandled the rise of mash-ups and other remixes is spot-on.  When Danger Mouse did the Beatles/Jay Z mashup, sales in the black album, white album and grey album went up.  As you say, mash-ups help music reach a wider audience.  Of course, tell that to the record labels. Shortly after the release, Apple Records (owner of the rights to distribute Beatles music) sued Danger Mouse. 

Kaushik, I know what you mean. For me, its about the mood. Sometimes Girl Talk just doesn&#039;t work.  But I&#039;m glad you agree with the importance of the genre and the general philosophy, because I think mash-ups are an inventive and exciting new sound.

Great comments, cheers Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to the two of you for your comments.  </p>
<p>Hayden, your last remark that the music industry has mishandled the rise of mash-ups and other remixes is spot-on.  When Danger Mouse did the Beatles/Jay Z mashup, sales in the black album, white album and grey album went up.  As you say, mash-ups help music reach a wider audience.  Of course, tell that to the record labels. Shortly after the release, Apple Records (owner of the rights to distribute Beatles music) sued Danger Mouse. </p>
<p>Kaushik, I know what you mean. For me, its about the mood. Sometimes Girl Talk just doesn&#8217;t work.  But I&#8217;m glad you agree with the importance of the genre and the general philosophy, because I think mash-ups are an inventive and exciting new sound.</p>
<p>Great comments, cheers Alex</p>
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		<title>By: hayden fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>hayden fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also finally add as my last comment so that I don&#039;t hog too much space that the music industry should welcome the mash-ups as essentially trailers for existing music.  I&#039;ve purchased countless songs from iTunes featured in mash-ups; after hearing the mash-up a few times, listeners often want to hear the originals again and own them too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also finally add as my last comment so that I don&#8217;t hog too much space that the music industry should welcome the mash-ups as essentially trailers for existing music.  I&#8217;ve purchased countless songs from iTunes featured in mash-ups; after hearing the mash-up a few times, listeners often want to hear the originals again and own them too.</p>
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