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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2009/03/03/this-just-in/comment-page-1/#comment-10587</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard and Joel, the world could do with both of you using your powers and fantastic intellects in tandem. 
It is a richer place because of what both of you bring to the table, and if ever there was a time for both of you to make an impact by working together - that time is now.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCwffUO4C5E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard and Joel, the world could do with both of you using your powers and fantastic intellects in tandem.<br />
It is a richer place because of what both of you bring to the table, and if ever there was a time for both of you to make an impact by working together &#8211; that time is now.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCwffUO4C5E" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCwffUO4C5E</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Shepard</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Shepard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find insight in both of your commentaries on urban economies.  And I think both of you are off kilter on your politics.  Whatever.  Back to the issues, please.

Kotkin says: &quot;What&#039;s needed is something closer to lunch-bucket liberalism, which focuses on productivity-enhancing initiatives and sparking entrepreneurial growth. America--its cities in particular--could do with more private-sector stimulation and a lot less high-minded social engineering.&quot;

Again I disagree with the politics, but it sounds to me you are both talking about the same things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find insight in both of your commentaries on urban economies.  And I think both of you are off kilter on your politics.  Whatever.  Back to the issues, please.</p>
<p>Kotkin says: &#8220;What&#8217;s needed is something closer to lunch-bucket liberalism, which focuses on productivity-enhancing initiatives and sparking entrepreneurial growth. America&#8211;its cities in particular&#8211;could do with more private-sector stimulation and a lot less high-minded social engineering.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again I disagree with the politics, but it sounds to me you are both talking about the same things.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Florida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Florida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel - 

Are we just a wee bit over-sensitive:-). After all the things you&#039;ve written about moi:-):-), have I even once asked for ... Come on brother, we both know it&#039;s hot in the urbanist kitchen.

But seriously, I very much appreciate your work, even when your challenges are sometimes a little &quot;snarky&quot; and when you some times ... eh-hem ... set my work up as a something of an ... eh-hem ... a &quot;straw man.&quot; I&#039;ve said it once, I&#039;ll say it a thousand times, I always learn a lot from criticism - and yours is at the top of that list. It&#039;s made me a better thinker and clearer writer, I hope.

Just trying to clear up the record here by pointing out that even though you&#039;ve stated in various places and implied in others that me and my group are somehow unaware, oblivious to, and neglectful of the core issue of urban inequality - implying as you sometimes do that we somehow extol the virtues and praises of the &quot;yuppie elite&quot; - we actually documented the inequality that is a structural characteristic of highly innovative, creative regional economies SIX years ago, identifying New York City as the third most unequal large metro in the country, behind only the high-tech centers of Silicon Valley and the Research Triangle. 

Fom my end, there remains a lot of mutual interest and respect for the work of you and your colleagues. And, I&#039;m not-so-secretly hoping the &quot;sparks&quot; from our renewed engagement and debate on this critical issue will encourage national, state and local leaders to pay a lot more attention to the worsening urban/class inequality that plagues our country and its biggest and most productive and innovative urban centers.

Thanks for writng and for continuing to engage these critical issues.

Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel &#8211; </p>
<p>Are we just a wee bit over-sensitive:-). After all the things you&#8217;ve written about moi:-):-), have I even once asked for &#8230; Come on brother, we both know it&#8217;s hot in the urbanist kitchen.</p>
<p>But seriously, I very much appreciate your work, even when your challenges are sometimes a little &#8220;snarky&#8221; and when you some times &#8230; eh-hem &#8230; set my work up as a something of an &#8230; eh-hem &#8230; a &#8220;straw man.&#8221; I&#8217;ve said it once, I&#8217;ll say it a thousand times, I always learn a lot from criticism &#8211; and yours is at the top of that list. It&#8217;s made me a better thinker and clearer writer, I hope.</p>
<p>Just trying to clear up the record here by pointing out that even though you&#8217;ve stated in various places and implied in others that me and my group are somehow unaware, oblivious to, and neglectful of the core issue of urban inequality &#8211; implying as you sometimes do that we somehow extol the virtues and praises of the &#8220;yuppie elite&#8221; &#8211; we actually documented the inequality that is a structural characteristic of highly innovative, creative regional economies SIX years ago, identifying New York City as the third most unequal large metro in the country, behind only the high-tech centers of Silicon Valley and the Research Triangle. </p>
<p>Fom my end, there remains a lot of mutual interest and respect for the work of you and your colleagues. And, I&#8217;m not-so-secretly hoping the &#8220;sparks&#8221; from our renewed engagement and debate on this critical issue will encourage national, state and local leaders to pay a lot more attention to the worsening urban/class inequality that plagues our country and its biggest and most productive and innovative urban centers.</p>
<p>Thanks for writng and for continuing to engage these critical issues.</p>
<p>Rich</p>
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		<title>By: Chaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least we know you read each other&#039;s blogs. Beneath this snarkniness and mock outrage must be some interest in each other&#039;s work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least we know you read each other&#8217;s blogs. Beneath this snarkniness and mock outrage must be some interest in each other&#8217;s work.</p>
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		<title>By: SM2</title>
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		<dc:creator>SM2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we go.... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go&#8230;. <img src='http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/_wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: joel kotkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel kotkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>richard

this is a totally uncalled for comment. i know you read the new geography which did focus on the class aspects of the digital revolution and writing about class has been something i have done for years.

it has been a major theme in articles in the washington post, newsweek, politico, the wall street journal and the latimes for years. the report on ny&#039;s middle class out last month went into in detail as did previous report in houston as well as in reports for new america.

this is not a minor oversights. you should know better. i have no problem with our sparring but this is very inaccurate.

you owe me an apology on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>richard</p>
<p>this is a totally uncalled for comment. i know you read the new geography which did focus on the class aspects of the digital revolution and writing about class has been something i have done for years.</p>
<p>it has been a major theme in articles in the washington post, newsweek, politico, the wall street journal and the latimes for years. the report on ny&#8217;s middle class out last month went into in detail as did previous report in houston as well as in reports for new america.</p>
<p>this is not a minor oversights. you should know better. i have no problem with our sparring but this is very inaccurate.</p>
<p>you owe me an apology on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: SM2</title>
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		<dc:creator>SM2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you&#039;ve done it, Rich. I thought the two of you had outgrown the flame wars. It&#039;s like 2004 all over again.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you&#8217;ve done it, Rich. I thought the two of you had outgrown the flame wars. It&#8217;s like 2004 all over again&#8230;..</p>
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