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		<title>By: Michael Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim H,

&quot;To me diversity is more than just race, it’s the sum of your perspective - who you are in beliefs and actions.&quot;

Absolutely. Every one of us is a package of contradictions. Liberal Democrat is the furthest Right my politics have ever gone, but of the other parties my sympathies are probably closest to Libertarian. To this day I have no idea of my parents&#039; politics, we didn&#039;t talk about that sort of thing. I was raised working class in a poor semi-rural neighborhood, but was drawn to cities. I hung out with intellectuals but didn&#039;t get my BA until I was over 40. My wife &amp; I have a good income because we&#039;re at the tops of our fields in Portland, but the fields are nonprofit consulting and yoga. 

And I&#039;d say most of the people I know are liberals, but they&#039;re a wide range of income groups, races, orientations, beliefs and professions. Trying to pigeonhole individuals by their occupations or income is as misguided as pigeonholing them by race. 

One of the points of The Big Sort is that America is losing a lot because of living in enclaves and talking in feedback loops. At first I was annoyed by the number of conservatives on this blog, but I&#039;ve come to value it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim H,</p>
<p>&#8220;To me diversity is more than just race, it’s the sum of your perspective &#8211; who you are in beliefs and actions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely. Every one of us is a package of contradictions. Liberal Democrat is the furthest Right my politics have ever gone, but of the other parties my sympathies are probably closest to Libertarian. To this day I have no idea of my parents&#8217; politics, we didn&#8217;t talk about that sort of thing. I was raised working class in a poor semi-rural neighborhood, but was drawn to cities. I hung out with intellectuals but didn&#8217;t get my BA until I was over 40. My wife &amp; I have a good income because we&#8217;re at the tops of our fields in Portland, but the fields are nonprofit consulting and yoga. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;d say most of the people I know are liberals, but they&#8217;re a wide range of income groups, races, orientations, beliefs and professions. Trying to pigeonhole individuals by their occupations or income is as misguided as pigeonholing them by race. </p>
<p>One of the points of The Big Sort is that America is losing a lot because of living in enclaves and talking in feedback loops. At first I was annoyed by the number of conservatives on this blog, but I&#8217;ve come to value it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Florida</title>
		<link>http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2009/03/24/class-personality-and-the-2008-election/comment-page-1/#comment-11244</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Florida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim and Michael - Great question. Great response.  I&#039;m not saying you&#039;re lower income or live in a lower priced house. Like Michael said, I&#039;m saying nothing about individuals. That&#039;s all been said better by others. What I looked at is the charactertistics of states that voted for Obama or McCain.  That seems important because states are the units that count in our electoral college system. So what our analysis finds is that lower output, lower income, lower human capital, less gay, lower housing price, more working class and more conscientious states voted for McCain.  Of course lots of high income, highly educated people did too, but not enough to carry those kinds of states.  Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim and Michael &#8211; Great question. Great response.  I&#8217;m not saying you&#8217;re lower income or live in a lower priced house. Like Michael said, I&#8217;m saying nothing about individuals. That&#8217;s all been said better by others. What I looked at is the charactertistics of states that voted for Obama or McCain.  That seems important because states are the units that count in our electoral college system. So what our analysis finds is that lower output, lower income, lower human capital, less gay, lower housing price, more working class and more conscientious states voted for McCain.  Of course lots of high income, highly educated people did too, but not enough to carry those kinds of states.  Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim H</title>
		<link>http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2009/03/24/class-personality-and-the-2008-election/comment-page-1/#comment-11235</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
I agree with you in that we are sorting into like groups.  The strength of this nation is our diversity, but we are going to lose it at an accelerating rate.  To me diversity is more than just race, it&#039;s the sum of your perspective - who you are in beliefs and actions.
For my purposes, I&#039;ll never move to San Fran/New York/Oregon because I value low-taxes and less government.  So we agree to stay in our own feedback loops?  Michael I was hoping you would join us at the Chicago Tea Party on July 4th :)

I would love to see some research into the differences between parents and their children&#039;s voting habits.  Most democrats I know also came from households of parents who also were democrat. I think that could make for interesting reading on both sides.  If anyone reading this knows of any, please let me know.

I also think the numbers for this past election aren&#039;t nearly as useful as the 2012 will be.  I believe the next election will cement whether a state really is red, or really is blue.  Will California&#039;s liberal bent go by the wayside as bankruptcy pounds it? It should be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
I agree with you in that we are sorting into like groups.  The strength of this nation is our diversity, but we are going to lose it at an accelerating rate.  To me diversity is more than just race, it&#8217;s the sum of your perspective &#8211; who you are in beliefs and actions.<br />
For my purposes, I&#8217;ll never move to San Fran/New York/Oregon because I value low-taxes and less government.  So we agree to stay in our own feedback loops?  Michael I was hoping you would join us at the Chicago Tea Party on July 4th <img src='http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/_wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would love to see some research into the differences between parents and their children&#8217;s voting habits.  Most democrats I know also came from households of parents who also were democrat. I think that could make for interesting reading on both sides.  If anyone reading this knows of any, please let me know.</p>
<p>I also think the numbers for this past election aren&#8217;t nearly as useful as the 2012 will be.  I believe the next election will cement whether a state really is red, or really is blue.  Will California&#8217;s liberal bent go by the wayside as bankruptcy pounds it? It should be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wells</title>
		<link>http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2009/03/24/class-personality-and-the-2008-election/comment-page-1/#comment-11234</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, just that those were the demographics of the states that went for McCain. Obviously lots of people in California and Massachusetts voted for him, as did lots of upper class and creative class. And lots of working class people in the Midwest voted for Obama. We&#039;re talking percentages and certainly not trying to label individuals. Most elections are won by +/- 5%. 

What&#039;s more interesting to me is that the Dr&#039;s, techies and business owners I know voted Democratic. We tend to live in self-reinforcing feedback loops, as described in The Big Sort. Blogs are one of the few places we interact with people different from ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, just that those were the demographics of the states that went for McCain. Obviously lots of people in California and Massachusetts voted for him, as did lots of upper class and creative class. And lots of working class people in the Midwest voted for Obama. We&#8217;re talking percentages and certainly not trying to label individuals. Most elections are won by +/- 5%. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s more interesting to me is that the Dr&#8217;s, techies and business owners I know voted Democratic. We tend to live in self-reinforcing feedback loops, as described in The Big Sort. Blogs are one of the few places we interact with people different from ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essentially what you&#039;re trying to say is that since I voted for McCain, I&#039;m most likely lower income and live in a lower priced house?  That I&#039;m clinging to the past?

No, not really - wrong on all of the above. I am a part of the creative class, I live in an expensive home, and have an upper income.  I just couldn&#039;t find anything in obama that I agreed with.  I knew his economic policies would be a disaster (just didn&#039;t know that fast), and I don&#039;t have euro-envy.

I agree that the creative industries are the future, but I don&#039;t believe that translates automatically into a liberal viewpoint.  My area is heavy in medical technology and pharmaceuticals. My unscientific (personal) poll found that most of the people I talked to (dr&#039;s,techies,business owners) all voted Republican; hardly the bitter, poor, working class people you are trying so hard to label us as.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essentially what you&#8217;re trying to say is that since I voted for McCain, I&#8217;m most likely lower income and live in a lower priced house?  That I&#8217;m clinging to the past?</p>
<p>No, not really &#8211; wrong on all of the above. I am a part of the creative class, I live in an expensive home, and have an upper income.  I just couldn&#8217;t find anything in obama that I agreed with.  I knew his economic policies would be a disaster (just didn&#8217;t know that fast), and I don&#8217;t have euro-envy.</p>
<p>I agree that the creative industries are the future, but I don&#8217;t believe that translates automatically into a liberal viewpoint.  My area is heavy in medical technology and pharmaceuticals. My unscientific (personal) poll found that most of the people I talked to (dr&#8217;s,techies,business owners) all voted Republican; hardly the bitter, poor, working class people you are trying so hard to label us as.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is also interesting if you overlay it with the geography of the final results. The McCain states were the Deep South, (losing the margins like Virginia &amp; N. Carolina), the Mississippi River bordering Midwest and some of the Mountain states (losing Colorado and N Mexico). And all of the Red states except Alaska are one bloc, the blue ones are 3 distinct blocs plus Hawaii and Florida.

So I guess the McCain regions are more working class. They&#039;re also lower income and lower housing prices. If we think the creative class economy are the future, then these regions seem to cling to the past or old economy. Allowing for the fact that many of the Western McCain states are pretty unpopulated, it still says that the South and lower Midwest are working class. I wonder what the industries are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is also interesting if you overlay it with the geography of the final results. The McCain states were the Deep South, (losing the margins like Virginia &amp; N. Carolina), the Mississippi River bordering Midwest and some of the Mountain states (losing Colorado and N Mexico). And all of the Red states except Alaska are one bloc, the blue ones are 3 distinct blocs plus Hawaii and Florida.</p>
<p>So I guess the McCain regions are more working class. They&#8217;re also lower income and lower housing prices. If we think the creative class economy are the future, then these regions seem to cling to the past or old economy. Allowing for the fact that many of the Western McCain states are pretty unpopulated, it still says that the South and lower Midwest are working class. I wonder what the industries are?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Matheson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Matheson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have numerically reinforced what one might have predicted for the voting patterns. However, I think, in values and aspirations the working class and service class are fairly close. The working class, with more money, may have realized more of their aspirations and as such become more complacent and conservative.
However, the unmentioned 800-pound gorilla in the  room may be colour. Is the service class composed of more people of colour than the working class? If so, that may be a better descriptor than this class dichotomy.
Did people of colour turn out in greater numbers than in previous elections? Did some traditional conservative voters stay home thinking the race was lost?  alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have numerically reinforced what one might have predicted for the voting patterns. However, I think, in values and aspirations the working class and service class are fairly close. The working class, with more money, may have realized more of their aspirations and as such become more complacent and conservative.<br />
However, the unmentioned 800-pound gorilla in the  room may be colour. Is the service class composed of more people of colour than the working class? If so, that may be a better descriptor than this class dichotomy.<br />
Did people of colour turn out in greater numbers than in previous elections? Did some traditional conservative voters stay home thinking the race was lost?  alex</p>
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