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	<title>Comments on: More Megas and High-Speed Rail</title>
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		<title>By: Ralf Lippold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralf Lippold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just imagine the former hubs of railway networks are the co-working spaces of the future;-))

Building up on such a vision in Dresden, actually the starting point of the German railway industrie.

Creating the future building on the heritage:-))

Cheers,

Ralf

PS.: Actually there is no high-speed train network reaching out really to Dresden, and yet this is the driving force to install the super-high-speed information network based on the heritage of the railway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just imagine the former hubs of railway networks are the co-working spaces of the future;-))</p>
<p>Building up on such a vision in Dresden, actually the starting point of the German railway industrie.</p>
<p>Creating the future building on the heritage:-))</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Ralf</p>
<p>PS.: Actually there is no high-speed train network reaching out really to Dresden, and yet this is the driving force to install the super-high-speed information network based on the heritage of the railway.</p>
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		<title>By: Iván Pérez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iván Pérez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 10:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Madrid region consolidation as a super powerhouse in the Spanish economic context has a lot to do with Mr.Florida s explanation on the High Speed rails.The increasing of  Castillan provinces like Valladolid,Segovia or Burgos is the consequence of a  mixture of possiblities coming from this fast connection to Madrid: the consolidation of the Ribera del Duero and La Rioja food clusters (Wineries,a milk producer giant,the old motor cluster...)by becoming Madrid people week end visitors. The High Speed Train to Barcelona,too,has converted Zaragoza in a future asset where some projects like converting it in the European Las Vegas have been discussed (after the Expo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Madrid region consolidation as a super powerhouse in the Spanish economic context has a lot to do with Mr.Florida s explanation on the High Speed rails.The increasing of  Castillan provinces like Valladolid,Segovia or Burgos is the consequence of a  mixture of possiblities coming from this fast connection to Madrid: the consolidation of the Ribera del Duero and La Rioja food clusters (Wineries,a milk producer giant,the old motor cluster&#8230;)by becoming Madrid people week end visitors. The High Speed Train to Barcelona,too,has converted Zaragoza in a future asset where some projects like converting it in the European Las Vegas have been discussed (after the Expo.)</p>
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		<title>By: Buzzcut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzzcut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Momentum is building in Canada for a high-speed rail link from say Windsor (just above Detroit) through Toronto over to Ottawa and onto Montreal and Quebec City.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s already been done.  Google &quot;Turbotrain&quot;.  Been there, done that, didn&#039;t last.

High speed rail to Binhampton and Albany, making them essentially exurbs of Manhattan, would be pretty cool though.  I just don&#039;t think that its financially feasable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Momentum is building in Canada for a high-speed rail link from say Windsor (just above Detroit) through Toronto over to Ottawa and onto Montreal and Quebec City.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s already been done.  Google &#8220;Turbotrain&#8221;.  Been there, done that, didn&#8217;t last.</p>
<p>High speed rail to Binhampton and Albany, making them essentially exurbs of Manhattan, would be pretty cool though.  I just don&#8217;t think that its financially feasable.</p>
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		<title>By: Conceptguy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Creative Class » Blog Archive » More Megas and High-Speed Rail &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conceptguy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Creative Class » Blog Archive » More Megas and High-Speed Rail &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,,

Actually improved technology did help cause the Bos-Wash mega-region. Going back to paved roads, highways, trains in the 19th century, the interconnection of the cities made all of them more successful.

As above, flying short distances of 100-400 miles is a time waster, you can often drive faster. With the long lines and constant interruptions of flying, it&#039;s basically wasted time compared to trains where you can get on and work. Driving is also wasted time.

Southwest is a great company, and in fact has replaced Greyhound as the travel choice of the masses. 

The question is whether high-speed rail is a cost or an investment. I&#039;d argue that it will pay back dividends in productivity and innovation that will outweigh the costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,,</p>
<p>Actually improved technology did help cause the Bos-Wash mega-region. Going back to paved roads, highways, trains in the 19th century, the interconnection of the cities made all of them more successful.</p>
<p>As above, flying short distances of 100-400 miles is a time waster, you can often drive faster. With the long lines and constant interruptions of flying, it&#8217;s basically wasted time compared to trains where you can get on and work. Driving is also wasted time.</p>
<p>Southwest is a great company, and in fact has replaced Greyhound as the travel choice of the masses. </p>
<p>The question is whether high-speed rail is a cost or an investment. I&#8217;d argue that it will pay back dividends in productivity and innovation that will outweigh the costs.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 15:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Las Vegas can, in effect, be rescued via a high-speed rail link to the huge Southern California mega region.  It is a natural fit: proximity, and natural ties to leisure and entertainment.  Las Vegas can become the eastern outpost of that region after it is connected by high-speed rail by becoming a mecca for entertainment and innovation that caters to that industry (e.g., cutting-edge gaming technology).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Las Vegas can, in effect, be rescued via a high-speed rail link to the huge Southern California mega region.  It is a natural fit: proximity, and natural ties to leisure and entertainment.  Las Vegas can become the eastern outpost of that region after it is connected by high-speed rail by becoming a mecca for entertainment and innovation that caters to that industry (e.g., cutting-edge gaming technology).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 15:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t there an important question of causation versus correlation here?  Improved transportation did not cause the growth in the Bos-Wash mega-region, it was correlated with it.

Isn&#039;t there also a question of whether the overhead associated with building high-speed rail leads to greater efficiency than other offerings?  Say Southwest Airlines?

If Greyhound buses couldn&#039;t compete with existing auto/air and rail options, can something with infinitely higher fixed costs compete?

One of the lessons which will come from Internet Companies and become more apparent as the financial crisis works it way through the world is that companies carrying high debt loads will not be operationally efficient enough to compete with similar companies that have low debt load.  Competition drives down margins and only companies/cities/mega-regions/states/Countries with the most efficient structures will survive.

Companies that take on the high fixed costs to build high-speed rail will not be price competitive with companies that don&#039;t have those high fixed costs.

Mega-regions/states/countries that don&#039;t have to service the debt loads incurred by large public works programs will be able to offer businesses lower cost/friendlier environments.

The question is whether you believe building a high speed rail network will cause growth (i.e. be a multiplier of the benefits derived from  public funds spent) or whether you believe improved transportation methods are correlated to growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t there an important question of causation versus correlation here?  Improved transportation did not cause the growth in the Bos-Wash mega-region, it was correlated with it.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there also a question of whether the overhead associated with building high-speed rail leads to greater efficiency than other offerings?  Say Southwest Airlines?</p>
<p>If Greyhound buses couldn&#8217;t compete with existing auto/air and rail options, can something with infinitely higher fixed costs compete?</p>
<p>One of the lessons which will come from Internet Companies and become more apparent as the financial crisis works it way through the world is that companies carrying high debt loads will not be operationally efficient enough to compete with similar companies that have low debt load.  Competition drives down margins and only companies/cities/mega-regions/states/Countries with the most efficient structures will survive.</p>
<p>Companies that take on the high fixed costs to build high-speed rail will not be price competitive with companies that don&#8217;t have those high fixed costs.</p>
<p>Mega-regions/states/countries that don&#8217;t have to service the debt loads incurred by large public works programs will be able to offer businesses lower cost/friendlier environments.</p>
<p>The question is whether you believe building a high speed rail network will cause growth (i.e. be a multiplier of the benefits derived from  public funds spent) or whether you believe improved transportation methods are correlated to growth.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 15:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In &quot;The Birth of Plenty&quot;, William Bernstein talks about the four things that made modern capitalism possible: Capital, Scientific Method, Rule of Law and Transportation/Communications. For the Industrial Revolution, transportation was for goods. For the Creative Economy, it&#039;s for people. We need to move the means of production, not the products.

As before, high speed rail is ideal for cities over 100 and less than 400-500 miles apart -- too far to drive, too close to fly. Rail will probably never make sense again across America or Canada, we&#039;re too big -- unlike Europe &amp; Japan. It makes sense to fly from LA to NYC, or practically anywhere to Denver. It doesn&#039;t make sense to fly from Portland to Seattle or Boston to NYC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In &#8220;The Birth of Plenty&#8221;, William Bernstein talks about the four things that made modern capitalism possible: Capital, Scientific Method, Rule of Law and Transportation/Communications. For the Industrial Revolution, transportation was for goods. For the Creative Economy, it&#8217;s for people. We need to move the means of production, not the products.</p>
<p>As before, high speed rail is ideal for cities over 100 and less than 400-500 miles apart &#8212; too far to drive, too close to fly. Rail will probably never make sense again across America or Canada, we&#8217;re too big &#8212; unlike Europe &amp; Japan. It makes sense to fly from LA to NYC, or practically anywhere to Denver. It doesn&#8217;t make sense to fly from Portland to Seattle or Boston to NYC.</p>
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