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		<title>By: Buzzcut</title>
		<link>http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2009/06/12/shrinking-cities-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13044</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzzcut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buffalonews.com/433/story/387344.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This article&lt;/a&gt; hits most of the big abandoned housing programs: Flint, Youngstown, Rochester, Buffalo.

Interestingly enough, Google Streetview is active on some of these East Side of Buffalo neighborhoods.  The potential, and problems, of these abandoned properties are quite evident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.buffalonews.com/433/story/387344.html" rel="nofollow">This article</a> hits most of the big abandoned housing programs: Flint, Youngstown, Rochester, Buffalo.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, Google Streetview is active on some of these East Side of Buffalo neighborhoods.  The potential, and problems, of these abandoned properties are quite evident.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The willingness of Americans to get up and move (to where the jobs are) is nothing new, and in fact a part of the American fabric.  As descendents of immigrants who made a cross-Atlantic/Pacific move, maybe there&#039;s something in our DNA?

Definitely some consideration of how to deal with the abandoned cities is important, but this talk of &quot;sprawl&quot; is always overdone.  After 2 centuries of unrestricted development, our country only has 5% of it&#039;s footprint developed.  With continued concentrations of our population, I don&#039;t think there is any threat to expanding that footprint, and with smart planning (not usually led by government) we can reclaim the brown spots to more cleanly scenery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The willingness of Americans to get up and move (to where the jobs are) is nothing new, and in fact a part of the American fabric.  As descendents of immigrants who made a cross-Atlantic/Pacific move, maybe there&#8217;s something in our DNA?</p>
<p>Definitely some consideration of how to deal with the abandoned cities is important, but this talk of &#8220;sprawl&#8221; is always overdone.  After 2 centuries of unrestricted development, our country only has 5% of it&#8217;s footprint developed.  With continued concentrations of our population, I don&#8217;t think there is any threat to expanding that footprint, and with smart planning (not usually led by government) we can reclaim the brown spots to more cleanly scenery.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzzcut</title>
		<link>http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2009/06/12/shrinking-cities-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13036</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzzcut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in Buffalo over the weekend.  I was talking with my host about how 25% of Gary, Indiana&#039;s property was abandoned as of 2006, and he said that in Buffalo it was 50%.

That is an incredible burden, but also an incredible opportunity.  The nature of property taxes and tax sales are such that just about all the land reverts to the government (becuase it is not worth it to a third party to take over the property and pay the back taxes).  The land is there, what is the government going to do with it?

Urban farming is one idea.  More parks is another one.  Tree farms?  Get the carbon sequestering credits.  Parts of Buffalo and Gary might make for good wind farms, being close to the lakes.

I do think that urban planning has been a massive failure, Carlos.  Planners have a lot to answer for, more so than someone from the Cato institute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Buffalo over the weekend.  I was talking with my host about how 25% of Gary, Indiana&#8217;s property was abandoned as of 2006, and he said that in Buffalo it was 50%.</p>
<p>That is an incredible burden, but also an incredible opportunity.  The nature of property taxes and tax sales are such that just about all the land reverts to the government (becuase it is not worth it to a third party to take over the property and pay the back taxes).  The land is there, what is the government going to do with it?</p>
<p>Urban farming is one idea.  More parks is another one.  Tree farms?  Get the carbon sequestering credits.  Parts of Buffalo and Gary might make for good wind farms, being close to the lakes.</p>
<p>I do think that urban planning has been a massive failure, Carlos.  Planners have a lot to answer for, more so than someone from the Cato institute.</p>
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		<title>By: carlos9900</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlos9900</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting NPR article. I did not see coming the Cato fellow criticizing the Government planners... Just kidding. I just wonder when they&#039;re going to criticize the planning of roads, any military expenditure or the problems of sprawl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting NPR article. I did not see coming the Cato fellow criticizing the Government planners&#8230; Just kidding. I just wonder when they&#8217;re going to criticize the planning of roads, any military expenditure or the problems of sprawl.</p>
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		<title>By: NIkolai Kondratieff</title>
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		<dc:creator>NIkolai Kondratieff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will be more common.  Victorville, CA is another example. Naked Capitalism has a great article here

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/06/low-interest-rates-lead-to-overbuilding.html

Green shoots are sprouting indeed...thanks to new pastures replacing subdivisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will be more common.  Victorville, CA is another example. Naked Capitalism has a great article here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/06/low-interest-rates-lead-to-overbuilding.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/06/low-interest-rates-lead-to-overbuilding.html</a></p>
<p>Green shoots are sprouting indeed&#8230;thanks to new pastures replacing subdivisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;how are cities coming up with new solutions to control the change, instead of simply trying to cope with it.”

Interesting how the same things come up for different problems. Portland is growing and projecting another million people in the region in the next 30+ years, and one of the strategies is putting aside land for parks before the new building happens. Flint is looking at shrinkage and putting aside land for parks as a way to cope with unused deteriorating housing and industrial buildings. 

As the speakers, Steven &amp; others, said this has to be part of a larger strategy involving people, transportation, businesses etc. 

Places deteriorate in different ways. Appalachian Ohio is emptying out and nobody is moving in, leading to decay. Central California is growing in population but not coping with things like pollution, sprawl, loss of agricultural land and jobs, leading to declining quality of life. Some strategies, like creating open space could be the same, but others would be very different. Youngstown needs to encourage growth, Modesto needs to control it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how are cities coming up with new solutions to control the change, instead of simply trying to cope with it.”</p>
<p>Interesting how the same things come up for different problems. Portland is growing and projecting another million people in the region in the next 30+ years, and one of the strategies is putting aside land for parks before the new building happens. Flint is looking at shrinkage and putting aside land for parks as a way to cope with unused deteriorating housing and industrial buildings. </p>
<p>As the speakers, Steven &amp; others, said this has to be part of a larger strategy involving people, transportation, businesses etc. </p>
<p>Places deteriorate in different ways. Appalachian Ohio is emptying out and nobody is moving in, leading to decay. Central California is growing in population but not coping with things like pollution, sprawl, loss of agricultural land and jobs, leading to declining quality of life. Some strategies, like creating open space could be the same, but others would be very different. Youngstown needs to encourage growth, Modesto needs to control it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Galbraith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Galbraith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most prominent of the shrinking cities is Youngstown, OH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most prominent of the shrinking cities is Youngstown, OH.</p>
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